he is interested in public service, engaging with politicians, he's friendly with paul ryan. he was the archbishop in milwaukee. he spoke at both conventions this past year. e was doubted as a papal contender. i think with francis, larry is right, it doesn't make since to compare him to pennsylvania's bob casey. it is a wonderful moment for catholics worldwide to celebrate the new pope, he chose the name francis and to make it about . erican politics, no thanks >> i want to remember that. he said i was right. >> you don't hear that a lot, do you? >> let me tell you about chris matthews. years ago when he was doing "hardball" and he did not know who i was. he had me on the show and one time we were taking a break to go to the men's room. >> i like where this story is going. >> you people "the washington times" don't know how conservative i am. [laughter] don't let it go beyond this room. he was assigned to sell himself to me as a conservative. the guy you know for the last 10 years is what, probably the most liberal -- >> well, he hangs out in the green room populated by al sh